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Pathfinder 2e character creation process Jan 21, 2023 10:45:54 GMT -6

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Post by Xxsuperheroxx on Jan 21, 2023 10:45:54 GMT -6

PathFinder 2ND Edition Character Creation Basics by Nonat1s
Character Creation Time Stamps
Ancestry: 1:31
Heritage: 3:22
Background: 4:50
Class: 6:00
Free Boosts and HP: 8:23
Class DC: 9:44
Proficiency: 10:21
Skills: 11:34
Gear: 12:48

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Pathfinder 2e character creation process Jan 23, 2023 23:12:52 GMT -6

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Post by Xxsuperheroxx on Jan 23, 2023 23:12:52 GMT -6

*********Pathfinder Second Edition**********	**************Character Sheet**************
Character name- Xelphen	Ancestry and Heritage- Elf Cavern
Player Name- XXSUPERHEROXX	Background- Hounded Thief
Experience Points (XP)- 0	Class and sub-class- Rogue Thief
Size- Medium 4ft. 2in. 70lbs.	Alignment- Chaotic/Neutral
Traits	Deity

pathbuilder2e I found this app so useful to make a character it calculates gold bulk and all your stats easy and quick you can make a toon in a couple minutes and have it stocked and ready for adventure.

Appearance Petit, wiry, athletic, chiseled facial features with a sullen or scowling expression. Jet-Black skin tone, Long silver braided hair, piercing bright red eyes.

Ancestry: Each ancestry provides ability boosts, and sometimes an ability flaw. Most ancestries either give 2 specified boosts, a specified flaw, and a free boost or a specified boost and a free boost. You can also choose to take two additional ability flaws to gain an additional free ability boost. You can apply these flaws and boost to ability scores that already received boosts and flaws, but you can't finish this step with a score greater than 12 or lower than 8.

Ancestry Elf Female Drow
Elf Mechanics
Points 6 Ancestry, 8 Rogue, 0 Constitution modifier
Size Medium
Speed 30 feet
Ability Boosts+2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, +2 Free.
Ability Flaw(s) -2 Constitution

All Characters start out with a base of 10.
Str 10 Dex 10 Con 10 Int 10Wis 10 Cha 10

Ancestry gives me Dexterity, Intelligence and a Free wildcard pick and one ability flaw on Constitution. I can add one more to anything except Dexterity and Intelligence with my free boost. Since Xelphen is going for intimidation, let’s put it in Charisma.

Str 10 Dex 12 Con 8 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 12

Heritage Cavern Elf born or spent many years in underground tunnels or caverns where light is scarce. You gain darkvision.
As of this Pathfinder e2 does not have a Drow heritage so I am substituting cavern elf.

I get one elven ancestry feat at level 1. I am going with Elven Weapon Familiarity.

Background: Your character's background provides two ability boosts.

Background Hounded Thief from the Guns & Gears book.

Hounded thief gives two ability boosts of which one must be Dexterity or Wisdom, and one is a free wildcard ability boost.
Xelphen is a rogue so +2 Dexterity, +2 Charisma are my choices. Hounded Thief background gives me 2 skills and one skill feat. I am trained in the Thievery skill, and Underworld Lore skill, and I gain the Pickpocket skill feat.

Str 10 Dex 14 Con 8 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 14
Class: Your character's class provides an ability boost to the ability score most important to your class, called your key ability score.
Class Rouge Hit Points: 8 plus your Constitution modifier. You increase your maximum number of HP by this number at 1st level and every level thereafter. At 1st level, my class gives me an ability boost to Dexterity or an option from rogue's racket. There are 5 rogue rackets to choose from I picked Thief racket and staying with Dexterity as my ability boost.

Str 10 Dex 16 Con 8 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 14

Determine Scores: After the other steps, you apply four more ability boosts of your choice. Then, determine your ability modifiers based on those scores.

So with all the Ancestry, Heritage, Background class and racket ability boost that leave the four free ability boosts you get to use to round out your new Characters ability's. I picked Str, Dex, Con, Cha.

Str 12 Dex 18 Con 10 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 16
Ability Scores
Ability Scores

Ability	Score	Modifier
Strength	12	+1
Dexterity	18	+4
Constitution	10	+0
Intelligence	12	+1
Wisdom	10	+0
Charisma	16	+3

All rogues are trained in Stealth and my thief rachet gives me Thievery. Since I am already Trained in Thievery from my background I can choose an alternative in place of the duplicate skill to also be trained in.

I have two skills I am Trained in Stealth (all rogues), Thievery (thief racket), I get one alternative from the duplicate thievery seven from my rouge class and one from my intelligence making a total of nine skills 9 yet to pick.

Starting at 2nd level, your character can take an archetype's dedication feat instead of one of their class feats. Archetypes allow you to expand the scope of your character's class. Applying an archetype allows you to select archetype feats instead of class feats. Once you have the dedication feat, you can select any feat from that archetype in place of a class feat as long as you meet its prerequisites.

As I am working toward Archetype Assassin Dedication there are Prerequisites, I will need the skill feat Alchemical Crafting and gain skills Crafting, Deception and stealth. Trained to assassinate your foes, and you do so with tenacity and precision. You gain the Mark for Death activity.

While your character’s ability scores represent their raw talent and potential, skills represent their training and experience at performing certain tasks. Each skill is keyed to one of your character’s ability scores and used for an array of related actions. During character creation, you become trained in a number of skills; some of them are specified by your class, background, or selected feats, but you also can freely select several based on your character concept. Having a high Intelligence score gives you additional trained skills. In addition, starting at 3rd level and every odd level thereafter, you can increase your proficiency of any skill, from untrained to trained to expert to master (starting at 7th level) to legendary (starting at 15th level).

Each skill has actions associated with it that use your proficiency in that skill for the check. Some actions are only used by a particular skill, while other general skill actions can be used with different skills for different outcomes. You can see the actions associated with each skill by viewing its respective page under the Skills tab on the sidebar.

Feats represent specialized abilities or training that your character possesses. There are several different types of feats and they are located in different places throughout the Archives. Ancestry feats, archetype feats, and class feats are located on their respective ancestry, archetype, or class page. There are two additional types of feats found under the Feats tab on the sidebar.

Skill feats are indicated by the skill trait and improve upon, or grant additional actions for one of the skills a character is trained in. Some skill feats require that a character be expert, master, or legendary proficiency in a skill before they can be taken. All characters gain skill feats at 2nd level and every even level thereafter, and some classes like the rogues and investigators gain additional skill feats on odd levels.

General feats have the general trait and represent training or abilities that are available to every character regardless of ancestry, class, or skill training, including armor and weapon proficiency and physical toughness. General feats are gained at 3rd, 7th, 11th, 15th, and 19th level. It should be noted that all skill feats have the general trait and can therefore be taken when a character gains the option of a new general feat.

Intimidation as one of my trained skills with the skill feat Intimidating Glare will fit Xelphens chiseled facial features with a sullen or scowling expression. Jet-Black skin tone, Long silver braided hair, piercing bright red eyes dressed Black leather armor Knives, dagger Demoralize a creature without speaking.

I get one skill from my rogue class stealth, I get one skill from my class thief racket thievery, I get two skills from my hound thief background underworld lore and thievery totaling 4. Sense thievery is a duplicate I get an alternative pick to replace it. Then I have 7 wildcards and a bonus for my intellect totaling 9 wildcard picks of skills.
Skill

Stealth Rogue class
Thievery Thief Racket
Underworld Lore Background
Thievery Background duplicate
Intimidation Alternative for duplicate
Crafting 1
Acrobatics 2
Athletics 3
Deception 4
Medicine 5
Survival 6
Performance 7
Diplomacy 8

Skill Training

Skill	Training	Modifier	ability	Prof	Item	Armor
Acrobatics	trained	+7	Dex 4	Prof 3	Item 0	Armor
Arcana	untrained	+2	Int 2	Prof 0	Item 0
Athletics	trained	+4	Str 1	Prof 3	Item 0	Armor
Crafting	trained	+5	Int 2	Prof 3	Item 0
Deception	trained	+5	Cha 2	Prof 3	Item 0
Diplomacy	trained	+5	Cha 2	Prof 3	Item 0
Intimidation	trained	+5	Cha 2	Prof 3	Item 0
Lore Underworld	trained	+5	Int 2	Prof 3	Item 0
Medicine	trained	+3	Wis 0	Prof 3	Item 0
Nature	untrained	+3	Wis 0	Prof 3	Item 0
Occultism	untrained	+2	Int 2	Prof 0	Item 0
Performance	trained	+5	Chi 2	Prof 3	Item 0
religion	untrained	+0	Wis 0	Prof 0	Item 0
Society	untrained	+2	Int 2	Prof 0	Item 0
Stealth	trained	+7	Dex 4	Prof 3	Item 0	Armor
Survival	trained	+3	Wis 0	Prof 3	Item 0
Thievery	trained	+7	Dex 4	Prof 3	Item 0	Armor

You only get one skill feat from your background, 1 Class feats Ancestry feat and 1 skill feat at level 1
Skill Feat

in question unsure total skill feats I get at level 1 so these might have to wait a minute tell next level.

Alchemical Crafting

Saving Throws

Fortitude (to resist diseases, poisons, and physical effects), Reflex (to evade effects a character could quickly dodge), and Will (to resist effects that target the mind and personality).

Fortitude	Trained	+3	Con 0	Prof 3	Item
Reflex	Expert	+9	Dex 4	Prof 5	Item
Will	Expert	+5	Wis 0	Prof 5	Item
Class DC	Trained	17	Str 4	Prof 3	Item
Perception	Expert	+4	Wis 0	Prof 5	Item
Initiative	-	+0	-	-	-

Equipment

To make your mark on the world, you'll need to have the right equipment, including armor, weapons, and other magical and mundane gear. All items can be found under the Equipment tab on the sidebar, divided into different categories and subcategories.

The most common currencies in the game are gold pieces (gp) and silver pieces (sp). One gp is worth 10 sp. In addition, 1 sp is worth 10 copper pieces (cp), and 10 gp are worth 1 platinum piece (pp). Characters begin play with 15 gp (or 150 sp) to spend on equipment.

At 1st level, your character has 15 gold pieces (150 silver pieces) to spend on armor, weapons, and other basic equipment. Most classes have a "class kit" laying out suggested items to have at 1st level. You can find them on that classes' page.

Bulk

Your character’s maximum Bulk determines how much weight they can comfortably carry. If they’re carrying a total amount of Bulk that exceeds 5 plus their Strength modifier, they are encumbered. A character can’t carry a total amount of Bulk that exceeds 10 plus their Strength modifier. The Bulk your character is carrying equals the sum of all of their items; keep in mind that 10 light items make up 1 Bulk

My Strength is 12 so my encumbered is 6 and my total is 11.

Pathbuilder2e makes it easy to buy weapons and gear it tally's the cost and bulk. I am rogue so the rogue kit gives me a backpack, bedroll, 2 weeks rations, 50 feet of rope, 2 belt pouches, 10 pieces of chalk, flint and steel, soap, 5 torches, water skin, leather armor, 1 dagger and climbing gear. for 62sp.

I bought thieves tools, candles, compass, 2 throwing knives a blowgun 10 blowgun darts and a whip though I am untrained in it I look super cool wearing it. my bulk is still unencumbered I have over 5 gold left to buy other things.

Neverwinter Profile
Xelphen of house Aleanrahel, daughter of the High Priestess of goddess Araushnee now known as Lolth, the Queen of the Demonweb Pits. Banished from the UnderDark for betrayal to her house for taking a lover Theomacha of house Barrison'del'armgo. Theomacha of house Barrison'del'armgo assassinated Xelphen's mother the Hish Priestess of the goddess Araushnee and fled the UnderDark to the surface of Faerûn. Xelphen Left the UnderDark and wonders Faerûn looking for her love Theomacha. Raised in the high house of Aleanrahel she is trained as an assassin skill set and training knife fighting, knife throwing, poisons and dark magic. She is the Bringer of death....

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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2023 8:56:07 GMT -6 by Xxsuperheroxx

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Pathfinder 2e character creation process Jan 25, 2023 2:19:25 GMT -6

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Post by Xxsuperheroxx on Jan 25, 2023 2:19:25 GMT -6

helpfull advice from Paizo.com forums I guess I got stuff wrong my original paizo.com thread that this great advice came from.

Mathmuse

This list likely means that XXSUPERHEROXX does not know the difference between skill proficiency ranks and skill feats and class feats.

If a character is trained in a skill, then their proficience bonus for using the skill is +2+level. Each skill also adds the bonus from its related ability score. For example, a 3rd-level rogue with Dex 18 and trained in Thievery would have a +5 proficiency bonus to a Disable a Device activity in addition to the +4 dex bonus, so his thievery skill check would be 1d20 + 9.

In addition, a rogue gains one skill feat at each level. Most classes gain fewer skill feats, but rogues are built to be so-called skill monkeys. A character also gains a skill feat from their background. A feat gives a character a new action they can use, or modifies an action that they can already use.

For example, the Hounded Thief gives the Pickpocket skill feat. The Steal requires a thievery skill check to succeed in stealing an object. It also says, "If the object is in a pocket or similarly protected, you take a –5 penalty to your Thievery check." But the Pickpocket skill feat says, "You can Steal or Palm an Object that’s closely guarded, such as in a pocket, without taking the –5 penalty." Furthermore, a character cannot Steal from an enemy in combat, but Pickpocket allows that.

In summary, proficiency in a skill gives better numbers and a feat in a skill gives better actions. The 7+int trained skills are all for proficiency. Thus, the rogue could be trained in Stealth from the class, trained in Thievery and Underworld Lore from the background, trained in Intimidation from Ruffian Racket, and then get 8 more trained skills such as trained in Acrobatics, Athletics, Deception, Diplomacy, Medicine, Performance, Religion, and Society. This example has twelve trained skill proficiencies, and all other skills, such as Arcana and Survival, are untrained and have a +0 proficiency bonus.

A class feat is a feat that is given to a particular class. Rogues gain a class feat at 1st level, 2nd level, 4th level, and all the even levels thereafter. That rate of gaining class feats is typical, except that primary spellcasters often don't receive a 1st-level class feat to balance against the power of their initial spells and cantrips. Thus, a 1st-level elf rogue could have Twin Feint or Tumble Behind but not both.

Pathfinder 2nd Edition also offers ancestry feats at 1st level, 5th level, and every (4n+1) level after that and general feats at 3rd level, 7th level and every (4n+3) level after that. Thus, an elf rogue would also have a 1st-level elf feat.

Rogue rackets and elf heritages are not feats, but they are much like them. Cavern Elf heritage does not mean Drow. The Drow have not been introduced to PF2 yet. But Cavern Elf is as close as we can get to Drow right now.

We currently have five choices for Rogue Rackets:
- Eldritch Trickster is good for a spellcasting trickster;
- Mastermind is good for a smart leader who makes careful plans;
- Ruffian is good for a strong thug who fights like a bandit;
- Scoundrel is good for a charming con artist who lies; and
- Thief is good for a dextrous sneak who relies on finesse.

BretI

Alright, let’s try to build this from your description.

As others noted, Drow are not the same in Pathfinder as they are in other settings. Still, we can get an elf with Darkvision that grew up in the Darklands.

Ancestry

Ancestry: Elf
Heritage: Cavern Elf which would give you darkvision.

Pick one elven 1st level ancestry feat. You probably want to look at Elven Weapon Familiarity for the Elven Curve Blade.

Attributes are now:
Str 10 Dex 12 Con 8 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 10

You can add two more to anything except Dex and Int with your free boost. Since your description seemed to focus on intimidation, let’s put it in Charisma.

Str 10 Dex 12 Con 8 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 12

Background

You wanted Hounded Thief from the Guns & Gears book.

It gives two attribute boosts of which one must be to Dexterity or Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost.

I’m going to assume you go for Dex and Charisma.

Str 10 Dex 14 Con 8 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 14.

Trained in Thievery and get the Pickpocket skill feat.

Class

You wanted Rogue. You could either do the Ruffian since it concentrates on Intimidation or go with the Thief racket. They each give slightly different things and play a little differently.

Ruffian has better armor, wants a better strength, and gets feats like Brutal Beating to scare opponents. Other thief rackets don’t have the option of the Brutal Beating feat.

Thief is your more classical Rogue, wants all the Dexterity they can get. When using an appropriate weapon in melee, they can use their Dexterity modifier to add damage in place of their Strength Modifer.

Let’s assume for the moment you go Thief,

This boosts you Dex and causes you to be Trained in Stealth (all rogues) and Thievery (because of a thief racket).

Since you already were Trained in Thievery because of the Background you chose, you can choose a different skill to also be trained in.

Str 10 Dex 16 Con 8 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 14.

Trained in Stealth, Thievery, and 9 other skills — 7 +1 from Int +1 because you already had Thievery.

If you want to be an Assassin, two of those skills need to be Crafting and Deception.

You get one Rogue Feat and one Skill feat.

You said you wanted Twin Feint as the Rogue feat. That Charisma will help you make the feint work.

I would suggest you take Intimidation as one of your trained skills and Intimidating Glare to fit the general impression your character description made me think you might like.

Details

You get four more free ability boosts.

I would suggest Str, Dex, Con, Cha.

Str 12 Dex 18 Con 10 Int 12 Wis 10 Cha 16.

The Charisma will help you with Intimidation and other social skills.
The Strength is for carrying capacity and being able to wear Studded Leather armor. You don’t need it, but without it you may find carrying capacity to be a pain.
Con because you want the hit points and don’t ever want a penalty to Fortitude saves.

I shouldn’t need to explain why you want Dex.

Taking Strength to 14 would be nice when you are using a bow, but is not required.

Feel free to make other choices with the Ability Boosts. You can have a perfectly functional rogue with a Dex 16.

Equipment

Rogue kit plus Elven Curve Blade if you can afford it.

You will want to get a Short Bow when you can afford it.

If you went for a 14 Str, you will want a Composite Short Bow for the additional +1 damage.

Assassin

You need to be trained in Crafting, Deception and Stealth.
You need the Alchemical Crafting feat.

If you took Charisma like I suggested, it will help you with the Deception as well.

Fortunately you are a Rogue so you get a skill feat at 2nd level, so you can take that skill feat and still qualify for the archtype.

The dedication takes up the Rogue feat that you would have gotten.

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Hope the above helps.

There are details I didn’t fill in, but it should give you the basic structure you were looking for.

shroudb

Skills are your proficiency in doing stuff.

As an example, Stealth is your skill to hide, and thievery is your skill to steal and disable devices. Athletics is your skill for jumping, climbing, and such. And etc.

It goes from Untrained, to Trained, to Expert, to Master, to Legendary.

Each skill also has its own Skill Feats. Those are extra abilities that you can pick to do using that skill.

As an example, while Athletics is your skill to jump, Quick Jump is an Athletics Skill Feat that allows a running jump without the running part.

A rogue gets some starting skill ranks set to Trained (stealth, the racket one, and 7+Int more) and then every level you either increase one more from Untrained to Trained, or increase a Trained to Expert (and down the line, from Expert to Master, and from Master to Legendary).

You also get another skill from your background as well a Lore from your background.

Skill Feats are something else entirely as I said above.

You get 1 from your background, and then Rogue gets 1 every level.

From your list, Intimidate is the Skill. Intimidating Glare is a Skill Feat. It gives you a different/modified ability based on the base Skill (you can demoralise without speaking).

As an example, if you want to be able to make poisons to play the classic dark elf poisoned weapons angle, you can pick up Craft as a skill, and Alchemical Crafting as a skill feat, and now you can spend your downtime crafting poisons.

breithauptclan

Something still feels off about this.

The ability scores look valid.

Skills
Rogue = Stealth
Thief = Thievery
Hounded Thief = Lore (underworld)
Hounded Thief = Thievery (duplicate)
7 +INT = Intimidation, Crafting, Deception.

That's not enough.

Duplicate proficiency grants during level 1 character creation get replaced with a skill of your choosing. So the duplicate Thievery proficiency needs to be replaced with something. Intimidation works.

Rogue = Stealth
Thief = Thievery
Hounded Thief = Lore (underworld)
Hounded Thief = Thievery Intimidation
7 +INT = Crafting, Deception.
But you still need to choose six more skills to be trained in.

I'm also not sure about what level this character is being created at.

If it is at level 1, then skill feats don't look right. You only get one skill feat from your background at level 1. For Hounded Thief it is Pickpocket.[/b[] You won't get any more skill feats until level 2. Same with Class feats. You only get one of them at level 1 and will get a second one at level 2. Then not get a third until level 4. So you will have to choose one between Twin Feint and Tumble Behind.

You do get an Ancestry feat at level 1 though.

BretI

He is building a Rogue. Rogues get a skill feat at 1st level.

I think he is planning out later levels, but am not certain.

Skills:

The following are all of the skills in Pathfinder Second Edition::

Acrobatics
Arcana
Athletics
Craft
Deception
Diplomacy
Intimidation
Lore (special)
Medicine
Nature
Occultism
Performance
Religion
Society
Stealth
Survival
Thievery

Lore is special in that you pick a certain topic that you have studied. See the skill description for examples. You can pick up skill in more than one Lore, so you could have Lore Underworld and Lore Elven. Each is tracked as a separate skill.

Skill Feats
These modify the way you can use your skills. As an example, the Quick Jump feat allows you to make a jump without a running start. You still used Athletics to do the jump, but you can do more with your Athletics for jumping than someone without that feat.

Pickpocket is an example of a skill feat. You get it from the background you chose. It makes you better at the type of Sleight of Hand needed to pick pocket someone. It doesn’t help you with the other things that the Thievery skill can do such as disable traps.

BretI

You’ve mentioned this a couple of times, needed to go off and check the rules.

Rogues are not proficient with Whips.

At first level, these are the weapons with which you are proficient:
Trained in simple weapons
Trained in the rapier, sap, shortbow, and shortsword
Trained in unarmed attacks

Whip is a martial weapon. You would have no training in it.

Last Edit: Jan 25, 2023 15:43:31 GMT -6 by Xxsuperheroxx

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